kind of changed. And even the way I see things also completely changed. And so well, 2016 I said, okay, I understand the pain point of the industry as I spent enough time working on financial applications, and I don't know like I also understand, I mean, I also got the pain point in the technology part. One of the main issue also is to retain people. Obviously, to retain people, you have to offer them a challenge. It's not about, honestly, it's true that you know, the wage is important. However, people, work also for, challenges. And I was asking myself, what kind of project I could bring, like, could let's say tackle enough pain points and the new zealand number for whatsapp industry. However, we need to also bring many challenges to our developers to really be excited and pick up every single day and say, okay, I would like to find a solution for this and that. And it is very, it's very easy to think about robots. Like a virtual assistant and as we can spend a hundreds of years, to improve a virtual assistant, and the best virtual assistant would be a human, but so even in 500 years, we're not gonna reach the human level, the intelligence of a human. So that's my story.
CAROLINE: Yeah. That's a big challenge. I love the story, but like training yourself and like getting ready and having, you know, having enough knowledge and experience in certain areas that you can really leverage them. I think this is the first time I hear a story like this, but I really love it.
MOHAMED: Well, I'm still as a young CEO, I'm still in the training and the learning phase, as, what I want to bring to my team that I'm, I want to avoid all the mistakes I faced in the industry. And knowing that I will make also mistakes, you know, it's like our parents, they think that the way they educated us, is let's say better than the than the way they were educated. However, they made mistakes. So, we'll make mistakes. But the idea is to be aware that, okay, we're gonna make mistakes. And that's what I tell my team. Let's say your colleague, cause I prefer to bring that angle as, and then the scrum meetings, and you really get involved in the technical side, not to micromanage my team, just to make sure that we are aligned about the direction we'll take However, what I always say and repeat, I will make mistakes, but I think that I would make less mistakes than you do. That's why I'm leading the company. And as I know very well the company, the culture, the product and, you know, being trained for, you know, for hours and hours and, well, it's obvious that I'm the one who spent more, you know, more... Yeah. Like, in the company.
CAROLINE: Yeah. So something that's been interesting to me is where do founders decide to spend their time, especially at the beginning, as you know, you're growing your team and building your product, and you put a lot of time and effort, spending time with your team and spending time on the product. Versus being more on the, and this is something that happens quite often, right? Usually, founders are either like on the sales side and like participating in panels and stuff like that is more on the product side. And so I'd love to hear about, like, why did you think it was important to be really involved with your team, with it, really involved with the product to build your company. And why did you make this decision?
So my understanding and my knowledge
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